Pencil puzzles and visual effects
Today's guests are Komieda who makes problems that have surprising appearances, and POTS who demands art in puzzles. They have made a lot of problems that paid attention to appearance. Today we will talk about the appearance of puzzles. From Nikoli we have the regulars NyanBaz and Nob.
NyanBazLet me get to the point from the start. We evaluate puzzles for how they are enjoyable to solve. We don't evaluate the beauty of the appearances. Did you know that?
NyanBazWell. Then, why do you pay attention to appearances?
NyanBazSo you gave priority to making an impact. And then the editor didn't mind it. How do you think about it now?
NobHow about you Komieda?
NyanBazYou made an attractive appearance one of the motives behind a problem from the start.
NyanBazThat's a point. Even if an appearance is interesting in a problem and the puzzle itself is dull, it doesn't get approved.
NyanBazCan you sacrifice other things for the appearance? For example, you don't like the feel of some part, but still send it in because it's beautiful.
NobAnother thing, about surprising appearances, I think there are two kinds. The beauty of the appearance and the impact of the appearance. Which are you thinking of now?
NobDid you get kinks in them?
NyanBazAnd therefore then you demand to have an impact.
NobPOTS often makes beautiful problems.
NobWho do you want to hear that from?
NyanBazHow do you think about the appearance after it is solved? There Komieda plans and schemes.
NobFor example, in Slitherlink, when the solution turns into a picture.
NobA magic square won't be noticed. (laughs) But akasyo likes that kind of idea.
NyanBazDo you get ideas for the appearance after you have solved a puzzle?
NobAre you saying that all human beings are like that?
NyanBazBut it is meaningless when it's not noticed. I think that there is a risk that nobody notices it.
NobIs that what you want to say? That only people who notice will understand it?
NyanBazThen there is room for solvers who would like to notice for themselves.
NyanBazWhich of the puzzles on nikoli.com are easy to make with something surprising?
NobIn Slitherlink you can easily put a picture or a character by the placement.
NyanBazHow do you think about Akari? I think that it has very little limitation for the black cells.
NobKomieda makes problems like that occasionally. It has an impact.
NyanBazIs it because it's difficult to make?
NobHis problems are truly outstanding. HIs Yajilin has a lot of excess arrows.
NobThey waste space. But, they are published because they are fun problems.
NyanBazIn Yajilin, can you make surprising appearances with any other methods?
NobThere are many limitations with Yajilim. There are many times when you wonder about how to get it "exactly this way".
NyanBazIt is worth trying. Nobody has done it yet you know.
NobYajilin is a puzzle where there is still room for development.
NyanBazWe talked about appearance today. Are there any appearances you mind in everyday life, other than with puzzles now?
NyanBazIs there anything where you don't compromise Komeida?
NobFor Komieda, work at the company isn't in public. (laughs)
NobAre there puzzles you don't show to others, without make up?
NobWell. I can understand that. When you finish it for publication, you should add make up.
NobThere is that. Although it's unadorned it's still an interesting puzzle. Momotereu's old problems looked like that.
NyanBazMake up is an interesting example. Are there any other examples like that?
NobCare about appearances like choosing an odd and unusual snack. I go for that to stores I don't usually visit.
NobI've always been content with what there is. Puzzles or snacks.
NyanBazI learned about an unexpected connection between puzzles and school picnics. That's the end for today. Thank you.
Discussion on Sep 2010 Published on Sep 30, 2013